Siemens’ offshore wind CEO says failures to understand value will enhance and to compensate for present chain weaknesses threaten worldwide wind energy aims. Within the meantime, insurance coverage insurance policies similar to the UK’s taxing wind farms on the subsequent charge than fossil fuels producers have met with frustration, and regulators would possibly make US offshore builders gun-shy. The group moreover explores joint mooring packages design and operational factors, discusses some complexities of the Australian energy grid, and considers how sustainable and scalable Voodin Blade Experience’s new turbine blades – made solely of picket – is also. Spoiler alert: Rosemary has questions.
If in case you’ve gotten questions on OEM service agreements, insurance coverage protection claims and liabilities, don’t miss the interview with Intelstor’s Philip Totaro.
Allen Hall: Geez, Joel, we’ve had a really crazy week at Uptime. We’ve been skimming by the use of all the info that’s occurring and it’s, it’s overwhelming impulsively. I don’t know what happens as quickly because the, the summer season ends and winter hits. It’s like wind energy Info Central. The ultimate couple of weeks actually. And, and this week we’re gonna discuss a, a couple of utterly completely different areas.
We’re talking a couple of accomplished agency making wind turbine blades completely outta laminated picket. So that’s very, lots to what they’re talking about with towers. So we would have a wind turbine that’s made solely of picket. After which we now have now a really fascinating dialogue with Philip Daro of Intel retailer referring to insurance coverage protection companies and their need for OEM maintenance contract.
Joel Saxum: So after that we’re gonna talk about regarding the success and, and kudos to Equinor for getting the world’s largest floating wind farm. Started up extreme wind Tampa in there off the coast of Norway. After which we’re gonna leap gears, hop in a plane, go proper right down to South Australia and talk about with Rosemary about. About her associates in, in Australia and their grid factors with photograph voltaic and wind shutdowns.
And, and sort of how that impacts and what what we anticipate might happen eventually in that market and inside the US market and completely different markets. After which lastly, eight additional draft wind energy offshore areas inside the Central Atlantic. So we’re talking about some which may be in. 400 meters plus of water, some shallower stuff.
So there’s just a bit little little bit of floating, just a bit little little bit of mounted bottom nonetheless additional offshore wind energy planning and areas coming to the
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Rosemary Barnes: All correct, Rosemary.
Allen Hall: Finnish renewable product maker. Retailer Enzo, who’s no doubt one of many largest private forest owners on the planet, is partnering up with German startup. Picket blade experience. Now it’s spelled V o o d i n. So for many who happen to Google that, make sure you spell it precisely, they usually’ll make sustainable wooden wind turbine blades.
Now you say to your self, that seems just a bit bit crazy, correct? Properly, it’s not actually crazy because you’re doing it correct now. The so the two companies are producing a 20 meter blade half, and it’s, they often’re planning to make an 80 meter. And that 20 meter blade per week is gonna be put in service on the end of this 12 months in Germany.
So that they’re, they’re designing these blades, similar to we would design fiberglass, winter blades, it’s laminated veneer lumber to permit them to direct the fibers the place they want ’em to go and provide power to permit them to make them lighter. Not, most certainly not as mild as fiberglass, nonetheless most certainly pretty mild.
And the concept is on account of it’s recyclable. My, my guess is that they will merely grind them up and change into mulch after which make new blades. So Rosemary. First off, does, does this make sense? Is that this, is that this experience to
Rosemary Barnes: pursue? ? No. That is my, my instinctual sort of response to that. It’s sort of, to me it merely truly seems like It sounds, it seems like suggestion, you understand, oh, we reduce our reliance on fossil fuels and, and positive, quite a few you understand, composite provides do come from fossil fuels, nonetheless the difficulty with fossil fuels isn’t that they exist.
It’s that we burn them after which they make carbon dioxide and go into the ambiance, you understand, so it’s sort of like, you understand, is that really associated? Moreover people have this idea that picket is solely inherently sustainable and good for the environment and a nice, joyful, nice supplies. And it could be, however it’s not, it’s not assured.
And quite a few sustainable forestry practices are, are often not that sustainable. You perceive, for many who, for many who look into it and also you understand what the frequent particular person would consider sustainable it, maybe they meet the technical definition. Not pretty the intent that almost all people would, you understand, attribute to that phrase. After which in reality there’s, there’s a restricted number of sustainable forests on the planet.
A great deal of points that we are going to do with picket, along with merely leaving the forest there as a carbon you understand, carbon gathering sink Yeah. Helpful useful resource. So, you understand, do you truly, truly get a revenue from using the picket on this methodology on account of, you understand, it may be utilized in a single different methodology. So. My instinctive response is, we don’t actually need to do this.
It’ll be very, it’s fascinating from, you understand, an engineering viewpoint can we, can we make an 80 meter wind turbine blade out of picket? And, you understand, we had been discussing this sooner than we started recording and it’s like, yeah, maybe, most certainly is my feeling, nonetheless geez, it’s gonna be heavy. And to me it feels a bit like, have you ever ever ever seen people usually make bike frames, bicycle frames out of bamboo sections and it’s like, it’s merely, its truly, it’s cool, you understand, it’s slightly little bit of a gimmick and it’s like, wow, you’ll be able to do this.
That’s superior. It form of seems like that. So, you understand, one wind turbine with wooden 80 meter prolonged wooden blades. Yeah. Like, that’s so cool. What a terrific engineering downside or, you understand, craftsmanship downside. There. By means of, you understand, do I consider that’s gonna roll out and, you understand, save significance portions of co2?
I don’t know. Is it gonna be cheaper than you understand, the winter blades? We’ve already obtained extraordinarily, extraordinarily, extraordinarily unsure. I don’t suppose you’re gonna see you understand, a blade wooden blade made as shortly as a fiberglass blade. You perceive, often winter bone blades are rolling out of a producing facility line, one per day, and also you truly suppose you’re gonna be making.
Or wooden 80 meter prolonged wind turbine blade in eventually. I don’t suppose so. And one thing that massively pushes up the value of wind energy is not going to be good for, you understand, CO2 emissions basic. So that’s sort of the rationale why I instinctively say like, I would prefer to see one wooden wind turbine, and fewer than that.
Properly, how
Allen Hall: does flax fiber match into. We had talked to inexperienced boats and know they’re making boats out of flax fiber and principally pure resin packages. And other people boats are unbelievable. They’re great. Within the occasion you go on the inexperienced boats LinkedIn internet web page, you’ll see a couple of of them, nonetheless that appears as if it’s a comparable experience to fiberglass and resin system.
It’s like within the an identical vein, correct? So there’s, there are renewable strategies to try this. Is would the correct choice correct now. Are there completely different renew. CO2 eaters that we might use which may do the an identical job.
Joel Saxum: When, after I think about sustainable logging or sustainable forestry, I’m, I’m, in my ideas, I start shifting gears from like two stroke chainsaws to like electrical chainsaws and like the large skidder tractors and stuff that run on, like, you understand, they’ll endure hundred gallons of diesel gasoline a day.
Like, do, will we swap ’em to electrical? Does it work? Can that happen to make some, one factor additional sustainable? So, I suggest, retailer Enzo as a corporation that’s you understand, confederate. The blade experience companies moreover partnering with Navion. Yeah. And Maven we’ve talked about sooner than on the current, Maven is the company that’s making the towers, so retailer end zone.
Maybe they’ve obtained someone truly good from like Ikea inside the background, serving to ’em out, making, making these items. That’s what I was keen about , that’s on, on the desk. You perceive, this may be the long run. Nonetheless so
Allen Hall: relatively lots Allen or Rich of their future. Yeah,
Joel Saxum: so with with, you understand, if this issue begins to vary right into a an growing variety of mainstream as is one thing in wind or renewables or energy on the entire, you’re gonna start to see additional of a microscope on them.
So I need to see what they think about by the, that the time interval keep. So in the event you understand ESG aims can surmount slightly little bit of income loss as we’ve seen thus far, does it make sense from an ESG standpoint, is it actually sustainable? If we’ll, I think about Rosemary geniuses comparable to you inside the engineering world might make this happen.
You’ll make an consuming meter blade out of picket as we talked about. Is it the proper use of picket? Is it actually sustainable? Is it gonna lower the value, the levelized value of energy? If it may truly’t confirm these three subject. I don’t see it turning into an element.
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Allen Hall: It seems like South Australia’s had just a bit little little bit of unhealthy local weather simply currently. They, they’d a, a extreme voltage transmission tower fall over, and that’s not the first time that’s occurred. On account of South Australia has quite a few renewables, largely rooftop photograph voltaic appears to be like as in the event that they’ve wanted to flip ’em off on account of that they had been transmitting that power to the rest of the nation.
So that, that one transmission line Was the feed for all that additional power. Now they don’t, now they’re trying to take care of an extreme quantity of power in South Australia. So whereas the electro web, which is the ability agency down there, is trying to restore this huge pile on, they suppose it’s gonna take a couple of of months, maybe longer, to get the, a substitute up.
So that they’re, they’re, we’re frightened about what to do with all this photograph voltaic energy that’s hitting the grid. They’re trying to find out deal with it in order that they’re frightened about having to shut off positive parts of the photograph voltaic energy to, to keep up from over. Over energy, I assume the current grid, have you ever ever been following this, this type of catastrophe and electrical power grids and, and what are they trying to do to deal with it?
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, so the South Australia’s a really fascinating grid and I discuss it relatively lots. I consider. It’s, I consider, the largest gigawatt scale grid that’s predominantly primarily based totally on variable renewables. So that they don’t have any coal power in South Australia anymore. They don’t have hydro. They’ve merely predominantly obtained wind and photograph voltaic after which they’re using gas as successfully to, you understand, steadiness all of the issues.
Nonetheless then the other methodology that they’re balancing is that they’re associated to the rest of the east coast of Australia and the Australian grid, the the, the nem the nationwide electrical power market. So that connects all of Australia other than not Western Australia and by no means the Northern Territory. Nonetheless principally every, you understand, most, most Australians are associated to this electrical power grid.
And so yeah, south Australia has lots variable renewables that usually they’ve obtained relatively lots decrease than they need, and completely different situations, and significantly in spring, they’ve rather more electrical power than they need, and however, spring is the first time the place they’re exporting relatively lots, significantly in the midst of the day.
So South Australia, generally, like closing 12 months and this 12 months virtually day by day in spring, you see detrimental electrical power prices in the midst of the day when everybody’s you understand, rooftop photograph voltaic is producing relatively lots. And demand isn’t that high. So that they’d a storm a short time prior to now. It took down the interconnector to the, the rest of {the electrical} power market.
And so now they’re of their time interval the place they could often be exporting heaps of renewable energy to the east coast they often’re not able to. So that they’ve had some points with blackouts, nonetheless yeah, one different concern is that after they’ve obtained additional energy additional electrical power than they need, they’ve obtained nowhere to position it.
So yeah, it’s merely sort of, it’s It, it displays what happens when, you understand, you depend upon a, one factor {{that a}} single degree of failure can, you understand, have a giant consequence. And I do know that they are inside the course of and we’re already inside the technique of establishing a second interconnection. So that, you understand, one tower falling down wouldn’t have this disadvantage, nonetheless they’re not there however.
And so, yeah, it’s, it is a bit unfortunate to see all these, you understand, inexperienced electrons which may have been accessible. They’re, you understand, they’re not being able for use for the time being, so it’s slightly little bit of a waste.
Allen Hall: Yeah. You have a complicated disadvantage though, on account of you’ve got obtained so many energy sources. It’d be utterly completely different for many who had.
Power crops producing energy. You’ll type of deal with that and it’s solely so many cellphone calls you would want to make. Oh, you may merely flip it off. Yeah. Renewable energy grid like this. Yeah. You’ll merely flip it off. Correct. On this case you’ve got obtained a a, a, I’m assuming tons of and tons of of properties producing electrical power which may feed the grid.
Are they able to deal with all these? Variables concurrently and kinda protect the grids regular?
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Certain. I suggest, the, they will, to deal with points to keep up the grids regular they often I’m not sure within the occasion that they do have all the powers that they want. They have been negotiating for a while trying to get the potential to remotely flip off people’s Photograph voltaic on their roofs, okay.
For one of these situation, however moreover just for the, you understand, similar to the, the frequent run of the mill. You perceive, everybody, there’s too many houses on this house have photograph voltaic panels on their roofs now, and it’s a really sunny day. There’s no demand in the midst of the day. And so the you understand, the, the transmission grid merely can’t, can’t take care of all this, all these electrons which may be trying to rush into the power traces on the an identical.
So that’s sort of a additional, you understand, frequent incidence. And this is usually a most certainly a lot much less, a lot much less frequent, nonetheless associated disadvantage. Nonetheless I suggest, yeah, so photograph voltaic, rooftop photograph voltaic, for many who add all of it up, I consider it is the biggest generator inside the state, however it’s it’s not the one big generator. So, I suggest, clearly they’re going to flip off the particular person gas power crops and, and do, for primarily probably the most half, they actually solely need to depart two, they need to go away two on for reliability.
Nonetheless other than that, they’re going to, you understand, have all of them turned. After which the whole enterprise operators, you understand, everyone that’s uncovered to the market worth. Clearly if there’s too, an extreme quantity of inside the system, then the worth goes low and, and constantly goes detrimental in South Australia. And so anyone that’s uncovered to that is, you understand, robotically gonna.
Gonna flip it off if they’re going to, you understand, and a wind farm and a photograph voltaic farm can merely, yeah, merely swap off and stop supplying. So I consider they’ve a great deal of mechanisms. And it’s a bit easier whilst you’ve obtained this, you understand, market primarily based methodology pretty than a, you understand, centralized administration and command.
That’s more likely to be a bit extra sturdy to ship out the, you understand, instruction to every explicit particular person generator individually. And please flip off all, it
Joel Saxum: sounds desire it’s, it’s like, it seems like ready made, decentralized, inexperienced hydrogen manufacturing. Choose it may be. Like, like if we get to hydrogen cars, hydrogen , every, why you hydrogen station?
Put ’em correct in. Correct into the grid. Yeah. .
Rosemary Barnes: Certain. I consider I
Joel Saxum: would say the restore for it is what, the restore for it is, is a additional or a, a additional sturdy, interconnected grid possib. Is that, I suggest, positive,
Rosemary Barnes: I consider, I consider that, or it’s additional storage inside South Australia or it’s curtailment. You perceive, people truly hate curtailment, they.
for, for electrical power to be generated and by no means used. Nonetheless I suggest, we search a inform in all, all parts of {the electrical} power system, however moreover, you understand, in several sorts of engineering, comparable to you don’t assemble a dam so that it’s on a regular basis full. You perceive, you assemble it so that, you understand, inside the worst case scenario, it’s going to, it’s going to refill or, you understand, like hardly it’s going to refill.
No one sees the, you understand, the very best little little bit of the dam that’s empty and talked about, oh no, it’s, you understand, our dam is being curtail. And the an identical with, you understand, transmission traces or a coal power plant is not going to be sized to be used 100% frequently. It’s sized so that whilst you need, you understand, the, the largest amount whilst you get your peak load that you simply understand it may truly, it may truly present that.
And the an identical with, you understand, transmission. They’re sized for. That, you understand, as quickly as in a decade extreme event whilst you, they merely need better than ever. And no one ever complains about alman in any of those points. And so I consider people are a bit humorous with renewable energy on account of the, you understand, the gasoline is free that people get truly upset about shedding it.
And , it, it’s merely, you understand, a matter of economics. It’s truly frequent in each form of engineering design, nonetheless for some motive people truly stick on to not wanting to waste any expertise from renewables, additional so than they’re frightened about shedding completely different belongings which have, you understand, been engineered.
Allen Hall: It does enhance the issue regarding the complexity of the grid and I, after I watch YouTube, and I don’t know what YouTube throws as a lot as you guys whilst you’re like thumbing by the use of YouTube, the actually helpful motion pictures.
So I, I are inclined to get these truly weird points like engineering with Rosie, after which I get motion pictures about like the power system in Texas. So I get these hour prolonged webinars about what’s occurring at er. And there was a really fascinating one. Now, now maybe they know their viewers, correct? So I’m {{an electrical}} engineer they often’re throwing me electrical points, nonetheless they, they threw up a video, which was the photograph voltaic farms in Texas have had two most important shutdowns which may be merely triggered events.
So that they’ve had a a disconnect and type of a cascading disconnect of photograph voltaic farms as a result of finest method the, the electronics work and. Erhart as an affect system. It doesn’t have a method to love, Start it once more up as soon as extra. Like they, they go into security mode in some, it seems like in some circumstances. And it it whilst you, they started digging into why is that this occurring?
They discover, in reality there’s not just one set off there’s like 10 utterly completely different the reason why this happens. And every utterly completely different part of that grid reacts barely differently. So it, a couple of of them seen the frequency change too low they often had been mi that they had been mismeasured it. Some seen the voltage drop too low, in order that they shot off.
It was loads of factors. And I was merely questioning, as we get to the complexity, like a spot like Texas, which is big, correct? You have this huge renewable grid, does develop into practically, do it is necessary to have rather more oversight onto what is unquestionably occurring on the, even on the home stage or on the farm stage, on how the ability is produced and the best way it’s gonna carry on, or does it should go off?
And the best way do you, how do you deal with all that in a, in a state? Texas or in or in South Australia, which is one different huge house. I
Joel Saxum: suppose that, I consider part of it is buffer, correct? Like Rosemary had been saying storage contained in the grid. Yeah. On account of all of us discuss how I. There’s advantages to a decentralized grid.
Okay, you’ve got obtained a pair big half, nonetheless in case you’ve gotten little areas far and huge, it, it’s safeguard, correct? You, you take away these single elements of failure. Nonetheless for many who can, and so then, nonetheless then moreover you make it so superior and also you then’re look talking good grid and all these varied issues about can we administration it once more?
And, and also you understand, inside the US as lots as you in Australia, house owners aren’t gonna allow. The particular person to connect once more to their stuff after which that’s not gonna happen. Or they’re gonna battle it tooth and nail. You perceive what I suggest? So, significantly in Texas, ERCOT in reality. Yeah. Freedom. Yeah. So the, I consider the reply is, is creating buffers contained in the grid, and that is inside the kind of quite a few types of storage, battery storage or irrespective of utilized sciences are, have gotten mainstream now, CO2 and these completely different varied issues.
So I consider you, you set that energy someplace after which a load energetic. Via these sources that, that’s my
Rosemary Barnes: thought. In South Australia, it’s largely about photograph voltaic. You perceive, they, they don’t have, you understand, a surplus, regular surplus for days or, or weeks in a row. They’ve a surplus spherical midday after which they’ve a deficit inside the, inside the night time.
It’s the essential duck curve. So that’s batteries. And. Within the occasion you do put these in houses, you don’t need the particular person to, you understand, administration that. You’ll have a system the place it’s as a lot as that, the householder. And there’s this agency in Australia often called Crimson Earth that’s doing that really successfully. They’ve sort of gamified it.
They’ve obtained an app and it implies that, you understand, any explicit particular person house that’s obtained, you understand, photograph voltaic and batteries and maybe an EV and one other lots, they’re usually their very personal, you understand, micro energy. And so, you understand, similar to the, the app, it’s obtained P two x, you understand, like account, how lots money are you making within the current day?
And also you understand, you watch the spot worth and {the electrical} power market and in addition you resolve, oh, okay, I’m not going to utilize my clothes dryer now. I’m gonna wait until, you understand, later. And okay, now was time that I should not be charging my electrical car with my photo voltaic power. I should be exporting to the grid on account of, you understand, I may make some big money from.
So, you understand, the power can, can come proper right down to the individuals and I like one of the simplest ways that they’re implementing it on account of it you understand, you’ll merely, you’re creating wealth off it and it’s great and different individuals truly get into it. And I anticipate that that’s, that’s the best way it’s going to, to go eventually. And, you understand, you roll that out in a giant scale, you then’re gonna see relatively lots a lot much less points in, inside the grid once you get the market prepare.
Correct. Nonetheless yeah, that’s undoubtedly. Not merely good to go, you understand, it’s not like every house might flip that performance on immediately. We’ve to find out the, the settings and make it potential for all of the issues stays reliable. Nonetheless I merely don’t see there’s any methodology for us to not have a clever grid eventually.
You perceive, significantly if EVs are gonna be an element, which they’re, we now have now no choice to easily let people do irrespective of they want, each time they want with the you understand, {the electrical} power grid. You wouldn’t let everyone merely come home from work at 5 o’clock and plug their car in and easily have it start charging immediately.
I suggest, which may, which may crash the grid. So we clearly we’re gonna must resolve this disadvantage and the reply
Joel Saxum: incentivize it completely different methodology. Yeah, exactly. Incentivize. So like that V, like there was a V two X pilot in Denmark as soon as that they had been talking exec. Exact same issue. We’re talking proper right here and what that agency seems like they’re doing, nonetheless that they had been incentivizing people.
Price their automobiles in the midst of the night. And also you understand, and, and it was even to the aim the place there was charging stations. In the event you obtained to the office, you probably can plug in inside the office and also you probably can do energy change there. So the V two X platform with {the electrical} cars was not solely inside the home, however it was all by means of the group as successfully.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. And octopus Vitality inside the UK have one factor associated, like they’ve an EV tariff and it obtained cheaper at, you understand, midnight or some explicit. Nonetheless that in itself is not going to be the reply on account of for many who get enough people on that tariff, then impulsively you’ve gotta spike in demand at that exact time.
So midnight. That’s why, you understand, this like spot worth watching app or, you understand, performance is finest on account of then as a lot of individuals be a part of, then the worth is gonna go up and so it seems to be like a lot much less engaging to the next lot of those who wanna be a part of. So yeah, I consider. Yeah, there’s relatively lots to find out.
An entire lot of particulars to find out. Yeah. Nonetheless Rosemary,
Allen Hall: if, if I gotta get up at one o’clock inside the morning to go plug my EV in at, at what degree do you merely say, you understand, I’m merely gonna buy a rattling
Rosemary Barnes: horse. Yeah. That is not so good. That’s not good charging if it is necessary to face as much as do it. The great charging, you’ve obtained an algorithm that is, you understand, watching the worth.
You’ve instructed your car charger, okay, I need 80% charged by six 30 inside the morning. Make it happen at. Least attainable value. You perceive, I’m not saying that.
Joel Saxum: So it’s like Star Trek, .
Rosemary Barnes: It’s, it’s the long run make
Joel Saxum: itself. It’s the true future. Yeah. Properly,
Allen Hall: I assume, I assume it’s a future. Who’s conscious of if we’re gonna get there or not.
It appears to be like as if it’s very tough and the, the additional I hear engineers give attention to the intricacies of, successfully, I’ll present the occasion. So it’s, so Apple makes a car, Tesla makes a car, Google makes a car, all of them reply differently. You start plugging ’em all into the grid. You suppose the grid’s gonna be. Heck no.
On account of they’re all gonna have these utterly completely different effectivity necessities. They’re all gonna be on, they’re gonna be off. Correct. I consider that variability is treacherous. Yeah. And with out having some stability by means of battery or one factor else, I
Joel Saxum: suppose you’re gonna be in trouble. Now add the the heavy trucking idea within the place they’re talking about charging stations for semis and, and Lori’s taking as lots energy as a small metropolis in a single spot, progress.
Merely to value automobiles. Yeah. So I started together with that in you you then truly obtained some administration points.
Allen Hall: Yeah. It’s, it’s a, it’s a complicated grid. I do know every. Those that the time interval, successfully, it’s merely gonna be a clever grid, nonetheless what does that suggest? Correct. Ultimately, engineers like Rosemary are gonna be there programming all these items to confirm it happens.
After which, nonetheless we’re, there’s, there’s, there’s like there’s, give it some thought. There’d be tons of of companies making devices that plug into this grid and, and add energy. You’ll take energy out. It can get great tough and I’m not sure we. , what that future seems to be like like and the best way regular it truly will in all probability be. I hope it
Rosemary Barnes: isn’t engineers like me programming these items cuz I am an absolute hack within the case of programming.
Primarily, you understand, I’m writing macros in Excel and that’s, that’s about all I do these days with programming. So thankfully there are, there are a couple of people programming these items they often exist. And I consider that the, the issue to remember, Alan, is that it’s an energy transition. It’s not an energy step change.
So it’s not like we’re gonna stand up tomorrow. All people’s gonna have an ev and a totally good home with a totally good grid. It happens step-by-step. Corporations like Crimson Earth already have their platforms working for the small number of people which may be on it. It will step-by-step develop. So, you understand, it limits the dimensions of the difficulty when points, points go improper frequently.
And I suggest, the Texas blackouts of, you understand, a couple of winters prior to now are an occasion of, you understand, they, they’ve moved very fast and haven’t came upon reply in every single situation however. And so I consider that’s why it’s very important that it is, you understand, a, a gradual transition. Nonetheless I, I, you understand, I actually really feel very assured wanting into my crystal ball that that’s one of the simplest ways we’re going on account of it, it aligns economically, you understand, people will grow to be worthwhile by doing it this way.
So I, I’m sure that it’s gonna happen and also you understand, it’s an opportunity for companies to grow to be worthwhile, however moreover for explicit particular person households to grow to be worthwhile. I would anticipate someplace like Texas and the US on the entire to be fast adopters of this on account of, you understand, you guys, you guys love that. Taking the power, power to the particular person and making capital capitalism money.
Yeah. It should be the correct place for it. And yeah, we, we do already say it’s starting to happen in Australia and I would undoubtedly have one in every of these packages. If I owned my very own residence, then I would, I would have photograph voltaic panels and, you understand, and a battery and be shopping for and promoting, shopping for and promoting energy and getting truly keen about my outcomes every.
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Allen Hall: Properly, Joel, I’ve been watching this. Properly, we now have now Phil Totaro once more from Psychological Retailer and we’ve been talking about insurance coverage protection companies and their push to get their insured. To utilize the OEM service agreements and the OEM companies to do maintenance on the wind mills, and there seems to be an infinite push in that.
Clearly the OEMs want to do that on account of it’s a nice little cash bonus into the earnings streams on account of the prices of mills have been suppressed lots. Nonetheless the unbiased service suppliers and the companies which may be huge enough, they. Current their very personal maintenance. They’re not doing a foul job.
I consider it, it appears to be like as if we merely have a dispute inside the market. Insurers are pushing a method, operators are saying one different issue. And , there seems to be quite a few dialogue spherical that point. So, Phil, can you merely sort give us the baseline of what’s actually occurring inside the insurance coverage protection market re relating to revive and restore?
Sure. Thanks
Philip Totaro: Alan. So merely to preface this, what we ended up doing was we’ve analyzed the ability information and administration’s plant stage web month-to-month and annual manufacturing info for renewable energy belongings. So that they’ve printed it for wind, photograph voltaic thermal expertise, et cetera, nonetheless significantly for wind.
We took that info and we started wanting plant by. At how prolonged sooner than you seen like a ten% or additional eternal degradation in aeps. And what we wanted to do was to analyze that and see if there was a correlation between the form of maintenance regime that that they had been utilizing. So are they on a, an OEM long term service contract?
Are they on a self perform, you understand, maintenance regime with an in-house? Performance, like a NextEra and an energy, et cetera or are they utilizing an unbiased service provider? And what the data displays is that unbiased service suppliers even have the the worst effectivity or the least good effectivity if we’ll maybe.
Put a optimistic spin on it. Nonetheless the reason is that a number of the unbiased service suppliers are sustaining belongings which may be a minimal of on frequent, I wanna say it’s like 15 to 16 years or older. The OEMs have a lot much less frequency of effectivity dropoffs on the belongings that they’re sustaining, nonetheless most of their belongings.
The place they’ve a long term service contract are youthful, and in addition you haven’t truly seen a effectivity degradation until you start reaching, you understand, like 8, 9, 10 years into the asset life. The, there’s a dichotomy between the two. Between two varied sorts of asset owners who self perform their maintenance.
One are the larger built-in companies like, as soon as extra, NextEra that really have remarkably good effectivity on and, and actually low a low proportion of degradation of their belongings. Although NextEra, to be truthful as successfully, significantly, they’ve an inclination to run their mills into the underside for 10 years after which repower ’em to reap the advantages of the ptc extension.
Nonetheless a number of the larger asset owners are able to protect their fleet very successfully. It’s among the many smaller and mid-sized asset owners who’re self-performing which may be actually the additional challenged in, in being able to try this. And one of these runs reverse as soon as extra to the distinctive premise proper right here, which is the insurance coverage protection companies all suppose that for many who’re an asset proprietor who’s self-performing maintenance, You’re most certainly not doing practically pretty much as good of a job as a result of the OEM would, and that’s not completely
Joel Saxum: completely right.
From Wind Power Lab, we preach to the insurance coverage protection market and to operators frequently, be a prudent operator. If we’re pointing in course of the OEMs as taking on these fsa, these full service agreements, will we run into any sort of, I suggest, there’s, there’s two parts to this question, I suppose. Can we run into any sort of nepotism with them?
Hiding some factors or not dealing with some stuff or, or is it greater on account of they could know what’s occurring to this positive sort of blade or these positive bearings all through their full fleet? Is will we see any factors arising there as far as trusting them to do the correct points or, or is it greater for the, for the, a asset proprietor?
Rosemary Barnes: It’s fascinating that you simply simply, that you simply simply say this cuz this is usually a, a topic that I, I work on bit. In Australia, virtually the whole belongings are achieved with OEM service agreements for the entire life. And the first form of labor that I get is when there is a defect, usually a blade defect, and the asset proprietor is completely unhappy with the communication that they’re getting from the, you understand, the oem who’s moreover the service provider.
You perceive that from the OEM’s viewpoint, we’ve obtained the entire service settlement. So, you understand, it’s on us if if we don’t restore these accurately. So merely perception. From the asset proprietor’s viewpoint, they’re like, you understand, , we now have now some big money tied up in, on this wind farm, and I wanna make sure that the yeah, that you simply understand, that you simply simply’re doing, doing the correct issue with these blade repairs and make sure that there aren’t gonna be additional defects pop up.
You perceive, if there’s a serial defect concern and I’d on no account understand why it should work that methodology. Why, why can’t we be a bit additional, you understand, upfront from. What do you think about that, Phil?
Philip Totaro: To answer your first question, positive, there are literally availability ensures in, inside the service contracts. The alternative issue that’s moreover in there are it’s a clause for paying out liquidated damages.
So if. They aren’t sustaining the supply above a threshold. And if the asset doesn’t generate you understand, what it should in taken over the course of like a full 12 months. And it’s principally mutually agreed upon that. It’s proper right down to the. You perceive, the, the substandard maintenance, then the, the OEM pays out a, a, you understand, a liquidated damages award to the, the asset proprietor on account of the misplaced manufacturing that they should have in some other case achieved.
Had they maintained the, the supply of the asset. So that they do have the, an OEM does have a financial incentive from that perspective. To have passable maintenance. I get the sense that the insurance coverage protection companies actually really feel that the claims which are filed are literally merely filed as a placeholder. If they’re going to get one other particular person to pay out on a problem which can in some other case be their responsibility.
And I consider the insurance coverage protection companies are starting to get smart to. And are starting to reject additional claims. I suggest, to start with, they, they’re going to’t, you understand, they’ve had some belongings which have had catastrophic failures all by means of, you understand, like there was a hurricane once more in like, I consider like 2017 or 18 in Puerto Rico the place it worn out a whole wind park and the insurance coverage protection agency misplaced like 100 million or one factor.
Wow. Which was a problem. So that you understand, they’re, they’re taking, the insurance coverage protection companies are taking a extra in-depth look. What they’re guaranteeing, how they’re guaranteeing it, and the premiums that they’re actually charging upfront, considerably and why they’re saying that they want OEM maintenance is on account of they, as soon as extra, they’ve this notion that the, the OEM is conscious of the turbine the proper they usually’d be the proper positioned to sort out the obligation considerably beneath like a full wrap contract.
It’s principally, you understand, we agree to supply maintenance and we conform to sort of current a warranty backstop to any of the foremost correctives that’s more likely to be compulsory all through this the time interval of this long term service settlement. So it’s the insurance coverage protection companies desire it on account of it’s taking among the many obligation off their books and putting it onto the oem.
Nonetheless it doesn’t primarily suggest that you simply simply’re actually gonna get greater effectivity on account of as soon as extra, going once more to what Joel talked about, The consistency with which you actually service and protect your asset adequately, in response to, you understand, OEM specs or your particular person experience along with your particular person belongings. If in case you’ve gotten a big sufficient fleet that’s primarily going to supply a better a better gauge.
Allen Hall: Yeah, that’s, that’s a, it merely appears to be like as if the insurance coverage protection commerce. trying to adapt, and even the operators are nonetheless trying to adapt to this transferring market. They’re learning as they go, they often haven’t created merchandise to, to fit within the place the operators and owners would possibly, may need them however. So there’s rather more to return again, it seems like.
And Phil, Hey. Hey. Thanks. Thanks for being on this method as soon as extra. If, for many who wanna discover out about what we merely talked about, insurance coverage protection and operators and ISPs, and full service agreements, Go to Phil’s LinkedIn internet web page, Philip Totaro or Intel Retailer’s LinkedIn internet web page, and there’s. Plethora of data. You’re gonna be taught relatively lots in a couple of minutes, and in case you’ve gotten any questions regarding the belongings you realized proper right here within the current day, attain out to Philip on his LinkedIn channel.
On his LinkedIn internet web page. Sorry. All correct, Philip. Thanks. All correct,
Philip Totaro: thanks everybody.
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Rosemary Barnes: Properly,
Allen Hall: Joel, I’ve been watching this extreme Wind Tampa in Wind Farm, which is supposed to be the largest floating wind farm on the planet. It’s off the coast of Norway and it’s, for many who remember, we talked about this a while prior to now, the place the problem is feeding oil and gas. Is it Derek out inside the ocean available on the market or inside the, inside the sea manufacturing rigs.
Yeah. Productions, drilling rigs, correct? Yeah. So that they’re, they’re putting 11 wind mills available on the market. They’re eight megawatts each, in order that they’re a whole of 88 megawatts Ecuador’s working however they obtained their first wind turbine up and working, in order that they’re producing power they often suppose they’re gonna finish the problem in 2023, which is good.
You perceive that ther. Clicking correct alongside. Now, the issue I seen about this problem is, and I wasn’t completely accustomed to it, was one factor often called a joint mooring system. So that they, there’s 11 mills they often’re sort of in two rows, nonetheless there’s, they use a novel methodology of joint of connecting them proper right down to the ocean floor.
And in addition you wanna merely principally describe what that is?
Joel Saxum: I don’t know exactly the, the construction of it, nonetheless a joint mooring system is a, in reality, a value saving mechanism, correct? There’s a, there’s quite a few strategies you’ll mower one factor offshore for many who’re mooring, FPSOs, floating platforms. The alternative points like, so you’ll be able to do a suction anchor the place you principally put put a a tube, like take into accounts like a paper towel tube, put it into the mud after which suck the water outta the very best.
It’ll actually suck the paper towel to interrupt down into the mud. That’s a suction anchor. Yeah. And also you then, you then merely tie the chain to the very best of it, and that’s a suction anchor. Now to the very best side, you’ll be able to do this. You’ll be able to do it with big anchors, you’ll be able to do a subsea, micro piles the place you drill, drill into the underside after which principally grout after which run cables up by the use of that, or chaining up by the use of that.
So quite a few strategies you’ll mo, nonetheless Okay, whilst you’re mooring an individual system, say you wanted to place you, it is necessary to have a minimal of, you understand, Three mooring locations, you may suppose one single for one issue or three merely to position it. So for many who wanted to have three anchors, no matter which mannequin of anchor you’re putting inside the ocean bottom, for 11 mills each, you’d must have 33 of them.
Properly, it’s relatively lots easier merely to position quite a few on each end after which additional them, after which additional the on the ground or on the subsurface, on the floating flooring additional, or to tie them collectively. So, okay, so it’s principally like They’re anchored to 1 one other on the ground, after which on each end and presumably inside the heart, they’ve some explicit particular person mooring packages to the underside.
So it’s solely a, a technique of decreasing down on what variety of exact anchors they need to put into the ocean floor on account of they’re pricey and time consuming to supply and stall. After which it’s an o and m concern. Okay? It’s an o m concern. That’s the large issue.
Allen Hall: Properly, that’s what I was questioning. Correct. So in my head, what I was contemplating like or one factor, I benefit from an analogy.
It’s like whilst you watch a gaggle of like preschoolers or kindergartners they often’re going to recess or occurring just a bit topic journey they often’re like chain to 1 one different, you get this prolonged connection anchor.
Joel Saxum: Yeah.
Allen Hall: The lecturers, the anchor, correct? Nonetheless for many who watch that line behind them, it’s sort of swaying far and huge on account of the children, none of them can stroll straight.
So, and, they often’re 5, correct? And so they additionally’re all going their very personal utterly completely different directions. Does that suggest that the wind mills are gonna be sort of floating spherical relative
Joel Saxum: to 1 one different? You anchored on every ends and, they often must be, they’re usually dynamic, nonetheless not that dynamic. Take into account that they should have, okay, export cables coming from them which may be associated to shore or associated to an oil.
Correct. So you’ll’t merely let ’em fla inside the wind. They’re not gonna be available on the market like a, like a snake flowing spherical. They will be fairly, they’ll be fairly static, nonetheless nonetheless dynamic. They’ll switch just a bit bit, nonetheless they’re not gonna, and also you then’ll have I don’t know if, if anybody can see this on YouTube, you’ll have principally the umbilicals and quite a few these will come down into the water column after which have a loop in it that has floats.
That’s how they do it in oil and gas a minimal of, correct? Whenever you’ve obtained a, once you’ve obtained a riser gas or oil export line or one factor coming as a lot as the ground, they do this and, and that is to assemble into it the ability to maneuver and, and groove and shake just a bit bit. So that that loop can principally take out any transferring stress if need be.
Allen Hall: Okay, so it’s just a bit service loop then,
Joel Saxum: primarily. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Primarily. So if there’s movement in it, it doesn’t, it’s not inflicting stress. An extreme quantity of stress on the, the export cable and. Okay, so
Allen Hall: in case you’ve gotten two adjoining mills, is there a cable, a really to cable working between them? So like might you drive a ship between with out hitting this cable or is it merely one factor.
I’m merely trying to find out like, does it truly block off the realm for ships and fishing? It can merely block it up because you obtained these gables. I would, and you may solely use it in
Joel Saxum: positive locations. I’m gonna say no, not on the, I don’t know the exact design. Correct, nonetheless I’m gonna say no, not on the ground.
Okay. They’ll be additional on the or the associated on the underside of the floating concrete building. So these are sort of designed like a. Okay, so down on the underside they’ll be associated in, in order that they go, yeah. Okay. So as soon as they arrange them, they’ve a specific car there often called an an A H T, which is an anchor coping with tug, and the tugboat will in all probability be there and has it, it’s solely a, it’s an infinite boat with an infinite work, flat platform out the once more.
After which there’s a couple of ROV work class ROVs that will do all the pinning and shackling of these items. So that they’ve these explicit vessels available on the market. And we discuss this as soon as we’re coming to the us. There’s not a. There’s no anchor coping with tugs, accessible off the East coast correct now, or west coast for mooring.
So these are specialised vessels that do this and, and may, can, can seize the anchors, switch the anchors if need be, or zip pump. The suction piles in, nonetheless then they’ve explicit ROVs that go be a part of ’em all. It’s, it’s it’s, it’s not a trivial software program. Subsea, as soon as they’re placing in these. So that, so that’s the place we had been going to cost, correct?
So it’s o and m, value, operations and maintenance. Correct now you’ve got obtained all of these mooring traces and all of the issues, and mooring chains export cables, infield cables to, to look at which may be it’s a complete nother downside versus merely inspecting a mono pile.
Allen Hall: So if a form of cables had been to interrupt, that may be a really unhealthy day.
Yeah, which may
Joel Saxum: be not cool. That might not be cool. Nonetheless thankfully there’s quite a few truly good engineers on the planet which have been doing these mooring chains for an prolonged, very very long time. There’s some new utilized sciences coming out subsea, micro piles. One in every of ’em, I do know a corporation out of Ireland that’s doing this.
Some earlier colleagues actually, that’s truly cool. They’ve a, a sea floor drill. So principally similar to the drill lands itself on the. Then there’s a robotic drilling platform, and, they often drill right down to eight,000 meters. After which they grout it after which they run the chain off the very best. So that they principally, like, they land this drill on the ocean floor, drill holes, grout the whole factor in, after which be a part of the chains they often go away.
And there’s no suction piles, no anchors, no nothing. And it’s a gr concrete, crowded in. It’s, it’s truly cool. And it’s quick. Progress, progress, progress. Wow. Yeah.
Allen Hall: That’s wild. Yeah, it’s pretty neat. Properly, Rosemary, for many who’re designing a wind turbine and it’s floating like that, do you’re fearful? Do you’re fearful about that from like a blade design or a bearing designing and when it’s type of, there’s just a bit, there’s just a bit play on this stuff now do, is {{that a}} concern on the
Rosemary Barnes: design side?
Yeah, it’s truly not one factor that they merely, you understand, say, oh, she’ll, she’ll be correct. Let’s merely, let’s merely assume that an onshore wind turbine will in all probability be, will in all probability be great with these new, new lots on them. And I consider it’s moreover truly fascinating the, the, the operational, you understand, options of it. And it’s it’s actually a topic that I, I wanna make a, I wanna make a YouTube video on bloating offshore on the entire.
One among many desirable issues is you, you understand, so now a tough and quick bottom or an onshore wind turbine, you understand, it’s rigidly on a regular basis, it’s on a regular basis gonna be vertical, nonetheless floating. I suggest, there’s gonna be some type of swaying after which, you understand, the aerodynamics are gonna be truly affected by that. So it’s on my itemizing of points, uncover out is how they actually deal with that.
You perceive, are they monitoring. The angle and compensating and, and the best way I, I’m not actually sure how they do it however, so it’s, yeah. Sorry. It’s a, it’s a question pretty than an answer to your question. . Yeah.
Joel Saxum: You’re together with a pair additional ranges of freedom in there, correct? The up down left, correct? Yeah. Up down,
Rosemary Barnes: yeah.
Compensating with, you understand, the lean, tilt angle of the, the rotor, or, I’ve on no account heard of a, you understand, a turbine having that sort of administration. It can make sense that you simply’d get greater effectivity for many who, for many who did, nonetheless yeah, I merely don’t know if that’s too tough compared with the advance it’s possible you’ll get or, I, I don’t even understand how big are the angles, you understand, that, that we’re seeing.
However when it’s better than a, you understand, a couple of ranges and it’s gonna give you a giant distinction in In your output, however moreover the, you understand, the lots, the normal wind turbine, all the, you understand, those who people have been designing for a few years, they’re, even the structural design is based spherical, you understand, the, the wind principally hitting on the exact correct course.
And for many who impulsively you, you understand, you acquire two, three ranges out of plane, you then’re gonna get some weird aerodynamic outcomes occurring and along with, you understand, doubtlessly stall, which is you understand, truly, truly powerful issue for a building. To care for. Moreover, you understand, for many who’ve obtained the waves coming, you understand, with a, a periodic frequency, are you gonna start to see some, you understand, sort of residents someplace?
It’s truly tough and I, I do know that there’s a, quite a few information that’s come from offshore oil and gas and into wind mills. So I, I don’t, I, I consider that the designers of these mills know the options to these questions that I, I don’t You suppose
Allen Hall: so? I don’t, you understand, I am questioning if this trial by ECU.
And remember, the Ecuador’s gonna be involved in a couple of of those California duties, or is gonna be bidding on them. Like this is usually a little little little bit of publicity about how you may assemble mills off the coast of California. That’s gonna, they’re gonna be floating. Do you’ve got obtained a small test topic of 11 mills like they’ve correct now?
On this, on this mooring system, are you trying out quite a few utterly completely different administration packages and easily monitoring what happens? It presents you just a bit little little bit of time sooner than you go do it in California. Does that give Eor an infinite profit? It appeared to me that it may.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. And this isn’t their first exploding offshore wind farm.
Correct. So that they, they’d the successfully’s first which has been working since 2017 in Scotland. That was slightly little bit of a smaller wind farm, nonetheless nonetheless 5 six megawatt turbin. So it’s not exactly the an identical, nonetheless truly, you understand, they’ve, they’re doing quite a few enchancment into floating offshore they often’re, they’re learning as they go.
And so this one is, is larger. It’s what like an 88 megawatt wind farm. And I’m sure they’ll be taught one factor from, from that. And and, you understand, from the longer operation of their first. And go bigger and better subsequent time. So I, I do suppose you’re correct that they’re, you understand, they’re getting the early lead on a couple of of those these factors, nonetheless they’ve started small.
You don’t see any in a gigawatt floating offshore with farms being available on the market however on account of people don’t know all of the issues however they often know that they don’t know. So it’s, yeah, correct. You be taught, take. Nonetheless for many who, nonetheless as lots as you’ll from present wind commerce as lots as you’ll from present oil and gas.
So, you understand, you, you hope that you simply simply’ve thought of all of the issues that which can happen, nonetheless you’re acutely aware that you simply simply, you understand, you don’t know however what you don’t know, and so that you simply start small and and hear. pay attention to the problems you’ve got obtained to have the ability to restore ’em for the, the next big of the problem.
So whilst you,
Allen Hall: when California does this public sale, or when the federal authorities does this public sale off the coast of California, which is coming in pretty rapidly, it’s like a pair weeks away when this episode launch, it’s most certainly pretty shut. Do you give bonus elements to Ecuador on account of they’ve a method of how big of an effort that’s, they often most certainly have came upon and eradicated a couple of of those disadvantage
Joel Saxum: areas.
I consider intrinsically it’s going to come of their bid correct there. The bonus elements will come on the, the extent of expertise and information that is displayed in there. Presentation.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. And as well as on account of we’ve seen quite a few duties inside the US the place, you understand, builders are like, oh, actually that’s gonna be rather more pricey than we thought.
So now you understand, it is important to pay us additional. So, you understand, I would be if I was the state of California, I would be having a look at, at that, you understand, just a bit bit cautious of any particular person doing their first, first problem isn’t truly gonna happen. Like maybe they’ve estimated it’s going to be cheaper than you understand, a extreme wind.
Bid. Nonetheless do I perception it and do I perception that they’re, you understand, gonna, gonna adjust to by the use of if it does end up costlier? So, yeah, I consider that it, they’ve undoubtedly put the early runs on the board and that will serve them successfully.
Allen Hall: I’ll stand up for the wind turine companies and the operators for a second.
What’s occurring in, on the East coast correct now, considerably in my little state, is I consider abhorrent on some. That the states, not solely my state, nonetheless a adjoining states, are literally sticking it to the operators and the builders of these duties. We’re in a a novel monetary time. And the states are merely wanting the other methodology.
Why would, why would we get entangled on this? Yeah. There, there’s inflation. Certain. There’s extreme charges of curiosity. Properly, how does that impact you? Properly, it impacts everybody the an identical, correct? As a result of the states grapple for extra cash and try to care for their budgets in the whole factor. Properly, the state of Massachusetts is so overloaded with money.
They’re actually giving a couple of of it once more . When, when your, when your operators and your and the companies are telling you it’s gonna value extra cash, it is important to be listening to ’em as a substitute of pooing them. And I’m, I’m frightened about that in California too. Like, does, does what’s occurring in my little state impact the general public sale?
What’s gonna happen? I’m floating wind, California. Does everybody get just a bit bit gun shy about it and say, yeah, we would’ve bid 2 billion for this, for this web site. Nonetheless you understand what? No, not now, not after We’ve seen on one other states we’re merely not gonna do that. And maybe, maybe they’ve people drop out, which is what the scary half is for, for us, is that off current win, which been promised and promised and promised, and be the, the long run impulsively seems to be stalled in some areas, and that’s not healthful.
Yeah, yeah. It’s slowing
Joel Saxum: down for sure. On the, the one issue to, to, for, for us and the listeners proper right here as engineers and experience followers. This is usually a big win for the wind commerce. I think about that we’ve obtained, yeah, we’ve obtained an 88 megawatt farm. It’s not, it’s not as big as a result of the gigawatt, you understand, dogger banks and stuff, nonetheless hey, we’ve obtained floating wind now at practically 100 megawatt web site.
That’s unbelievable. So kudos to EOR for making this happen huge and getting it off the underside. There’s gonna be, you understand, that’s, That’s the toddler step, you understand, that’s the, the, the 5 or the seven mills offshore inside the US that we now have now. Good. That’s truly cool. That’s the following step. That’s floating.
That’s the largest one on the planet correct now, and there’s additional to return again from this. So, so it’s a victory for the commerce, I think about.
Allen Hall: It’s an infinite engineering thumbs up for sure. It’s, it’s great. It actually is great and also you understand, Rosemary’s been talking about it for a couple of years proper right here and it’s actually coming about, so Rosemary’s predictions are coming true and it’s, it’s lastly good to see.
I, I merely need we might get well from a couple of of those hurdles faster. That’s gonna do it for this week’s Uptime Win Vitality podcast. Thanks for listening. Please take a second and gives us a 5 star rating in your podcast platform. Bear in mind to subscribe inside the current notes beneath to Uptime Tech Info, our weekly publication, along with Rosemary’s YouTube Channel Engineering with Rosie.
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